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FAQ- The Necronomicon Part III

Frequently Asked Questions — The Necronomicon Part III
Version 1.2
29 June 1993
compiled by Kendrick Kerwin Chua (kendri…@CMU.EDU)
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
  United States of America

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APPENDIX
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(1)_History of the Necronomicon_, by H.P. Lovecraft, written in 1937
with footnotes and references by Kendrick Kerwin Chua, 1993

   Original title _Al-Azif_ —  azif being the word used by the Arabs to
designate that nocturnal sound (made by insects) supposed to be the
howling of daemons.
   Composed by Abdul Al-Hazred, a mad poet of Sanaa, in Yemen, who is
said to have flourished during the period of the Ommiade caliphs, circa
700 A.D. He visited the ruins of Babylon and the subterranean secrets of
Memphis and spent ten years alone in the great southern desert of Arabia
– the Roba al Khaliyeh, or "Empty Space" of the ancients and "Dahma" or
"Crimson" desert of the modern Arabs, which is held to be inhabited by
protective evil spirits and monsters of death. Of this desert many
strange and unbelievable marvels are told by those who pretend to have
penetrated it. In his last years, Al-Hazred dwelt in Damascus, where the
Necronomicon (Al Azif) was written, and of his final death or
disappearnce (738 A.D.) many terrible and conflicting things are told.
He is said by Ebn Khallikan (12th century biographer) to have been
siezed by an invisible monster in broad daylight and devoured horribly
before a large number of fright-frozen witnesses. Of his madness many
things are told. He claimed to have seen the fabulous Irem, or City of
Pillars, and to have found beneath the ruins of a certain nameless
desert town the shocking annals and secrets of a race older than
mankind. He was only an indifferent Moslem, worshipping unknown dieties
whom he called Yog-Sothoth and Cthulhu.

    [(9) Note already how Lovecraft skirts the fine line between
     campy parody and seriousness. In _Lovecraft at Last_, Conover writes
     that Lovecraft wrote the history in order to allow people with
     any understanding of Arab studies to see through the mock
     scholarship. Note also the inconsistencies here with the description
     of Al-Hazred in the Simon Necronomicon. Al-Hazred there supposedly
     witnessed the horrible rituals at Masshu, a mythical island at the
     mouth of the Euphrates upon which Utnapishtim, the Babylonian Noah,
     supposedly still resides today. Whereas Lovecraft describes the Crimson
     Desert as the place where Al-Hazred witnessed much of what he wrote down.
     Note also that in the Simon version, Al-Hazred warns against worshipping
     "Iak-Sakkak" and "Kutulu", whereas Lovecrafts claims he did just that.
     Note also the improper use of the A.D. prefix until the next paragraph.
     KKC  ]

   In A.D. 950 the Azif, which had gained a considerable though
surreptitious circulation amongst the philosphers of the age, was
secretly translated into Greek by Theodorus Philetas of Constantinople
under the title Necronomicon.

     [(10) Another inconsistency. Simon claims that Al-Hazred rendered the
      Necronomicon in Greek first, rather than Arabic.   KKC]

For a century it impelled certain experimenters to terrible attempts,
when it was suppressed and burnt by the partiarch Michael. After this it
is only heard of furtively, but (1228) Olaus Wormius made a Latin
translation later in the Middle Ages, and the Latin text was printed
twice – once in the 15th century in blackletter (evidently in German)
and once in the 17th (probably Spanish); both editions being without
identifying marks, and located as to time and place by internal
typographic evidence only.

     [(11) Interesting to note that Lovecraft does not say outright that
      someone in our time had apparently found and identified these
      renditions of the book.   KKC]

The work, both Latin and Greek, was banned by Pope Gregory IX in 1232,
shortly after its Latin translation, which called attention to it.

     [(12) The archivist has thusfar been unable to find Al Azif, Necronomicon,
      or anything even remotely similar on any of the forbidden book lists
      of the era. But do consider that paper records from the 13th century are
      incomplete and unpreserved, to say the least.    KKC]

The Arabic original was lost as early as Wormius’ time, as indicated by
his prefatory note (there is, however, a vague account of a secret copy
appearing in San Francisco during the present century but later
perishing by fire); and no sight of the Greek copy – which was printed
in Italy between 1500 and 1550 – has been reported since the burning of
a certain Salem man’s library in 1692.

     [(13) Again, Simon claims to have translated a Greek edition.   KKC]

An English translation made by Dr. [John] Dee was never printed, and
exists only in fragments recovered from the original MS.

     [(14) An internal Lovecraft inconsistency. In his short story _The Dunwich
      Horror_, the old wizard called Whately utilizes a Dee translation of the
      Necronomicon in order to produce children for Yog-Sothoth. A complete
      listing of John Dee's books reveals none titled Necronomicon.    KKC]

Of the Latin texts now existing one (15th century) is known to be in the
British Museum under lock and key, which another (17th century) is in
the Bilbiotheque Nationale at Paris. A 17th century edition is in the
Widener Library at harvard, and in the Library of Miskatonic University
at Arkham; also in the library of the University of Buenos Ayres.

     [(15) Other than the Harvard copy, which the archivist knows for sure
      does not exist, and the fact that Miskatonic University is totally
      fictional, I cannot say with absolute certainty that the other locations
      Lovecraft lists do not have some copy of a book they may call the
      Necronomicon. Interested parties may contact the archivist to
      confirm or deny posession of the book, if they wish.    KKC]

Numerous other copies probably exist in secret, and a 15th century one
is persistently rumoured to form part of the collection of a celebrated
American millionaire. A still vaguer rumor credits the preservation of a
16th century Greek text in the Salem family of Pickman; but if it was so
preserved, it vanished with the artist R.U. Pickman , who disappeared
early in 1926. The book is rigidly suppressed by the authorities of most
countries, and by all branches of ornaised ecclesiasticism. Reading
leads to terrible consequences. It was from rumours of this book (of
which relatively few of the general public know) that R.W. Chambers is
said to have derived the idea of his early novel "The King in Yellow".

     [(16) Much of the latter part of this paragraph is in fact derived from
      Lovecraft's own short stories, most notably _The Picture in the House_,
      which featured the sadistic Robert Pickman character. Also, Lovecraft
      repeatedly cites Chambers' book as *his* main inspiration.    KKC]

(2) An abridged pantheon of the mythos

The format of this section is as follows:
LOVECRAFTIAN NAME, Simon name: Brief description in prose.

CTHULHU, Kutulu: The ancient entity which is currently hibernating on
the ocean floor in the sunken city of R’lyeh (or Urillia). Cthulhu has
supposedly maintained a cult of human beings which will assist him when
he awakens from slumber, in order to reclaim the earth and establish
whatever civilisation existed when Cthulhu first arrived on the earth
eons ago. In the Simon Necronomicon, Kutulu is mentioned in the creation
epic, where other translators have failed.

YOG-SOTHOTH, Iak-Sakkak: A whirling mass of gelatinous spheres,
Yog-Sothoth is the entity who is "keeper of the gate and the key". In
simple terms, evoking his powers allows one to travel great distnaces in
spirit and body. Some believe that his name it derivative of Set or Seth.

AZATHOTH, Azag-Thoth: The blind mad god, Azathoth is supposedly a very
old diety who is essentially nothing but an energy repository. In
Lovecraft’s stories, when Azathoth was summoned he grew exponentially in
size and volume until he was sent back to wherever he came from. Simon
claims that his name is derivative of the Egyptian Thoth, and is a lord
of magicians.

NYARLATHOTHEP: An Egyptian god who is supposedly a messenger and an
executioner. Nyarlathothep was supposedly responsible for many of the
demon and devil sightings during the Middle Ages and during the Salem
witch trials. He has no counterpart in the Simon Necronomicon.

Marduk: Head of the Igigi, or "good guy" gods, Marduk was the son of
Enki, and was responsible for defeating the evil ancient gods and
creating the earth and mankind. The story rendered by Simon is
consistent with most translations of the cuneiform tablets by other
authorities. He has no counterpart in Lovecraft.

Tiamat: The Mother goddess, Tiamat was the origin of all the other gods.
She fashioned a copious number of monsters to fight Marduk before she
was dismembered and recycled into what we now call the earth, according
to the Sumerian mythology. She has no counterpart in Lovecraft.

This is all I could think of for right now. If anyone thinks that any
other diety belongs in this short list, please e-mail the archivist.

(3) Miscellaneous useful information.

Magickal Childe Incorporated
35 West 19th Street
New York, NY  10011

Carrollton – Clark Publishers
9122 Rosslyn
Arlington, VA  22209

Avon Books, a division of the Hearst Company
105 Madison Avenue
New York, NY  10016

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Here ends the Frequently Asked Questions for the Necronomicon
(C) 1993 by Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendri…@CMU.EDU>
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mage's guide

Hello.  What is the mage’s guide?  could someone send it to me?
Thanx

umhly…@ccu.umanitoba.ca


Markian Hlynka                  *"The boy who doesn’t know what a Hrung is
umhly…@ccu.umanitoba.ca       *nor why it should choose to collapse on
AKA prak.                       *Beetlegeuse Seven."
University of Manitoba,         *(from The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

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Magical Methods of That Naughty Nazorean

        Greetings from the Three-Headed Cannibal Fish Cult!  Complete
with Impregnating Dove, suitable for Incarnations, Baptisms, and
Resurrections!

        Someone Who Knows posted that the best ‘Christians’ she knows
would not label themselves as Christians.  Presumably some of them
are occultists.  

        Turn this around.  Could this possibly imply that some of the
best occultists are Christians?  Can we pass over the fact that Qabalah
and Rosicrucianism are steeped in two Piscean millennia of the ineffable
XPISTOS-IXThUS?  (And will they ever stop declaring an end to the Piscean
Age?  Every time I turn around, some two-bit prophet is proclaiming the
*real* Dawn of the Age of Aquarius.  It’s been dawning for a couple of
hundred years, already!  Could we get to elevenses?!  It’s a long way to
lunch and we’re still waiting for some grub!)

        What have the Earth religions (or Crowley, for that matter)
got against that wacky Nazorean?  He multiplied a few loaves and fishes,
but hey, he was drunk.  It doesn’t make him a bad person.  He had
a rap sheet as long as your arm, both with the local heat and the
Romans — doesn’t that make him Good People?

        He wasn’t glory-hungry.  Far as I can tell, he was a follower
of John the Baptist.  Better miracles, but, hey, a good magican never
lets professional differences get in the way of friendship.  (There’s
an amusing bit in Luke 20 to this effect.  The Pharisees want to
know whether his authority is divine or human, and he goes — get this —
‘Well, my cousin baptised me — is that divine or human?’

        That Christ, laugh a minute.  Oh, just stop it, we’ll all announce
that john’s the incarnation of Dagon and you’re the Official Fish on
a Stick.  

        Christ didn’t seem to have a problem with other religions.
I can’t find anything in the gospels against practicing magic, or
even using elements of other religions.  Christianity borrows pretty
directly from everything…

        Damn, the site’s closing, and I’ll have to post this in a rough
draft.  Apologies for the incoherence, but just ask yourself —
if you got no problem with Eliphaz Levi raising guys from the dead,
why not others?

        And the gospels are the only documents I know that command
me to abandon my family, wander around, and practice magic for the
good of mankind.  ’So long, Mom.  Gotta world to save.  Don’t wait up.’
Christianity is rebellious and blasphemous *enough*.  No need to
bring in goats…

LVX
rmr

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Paths on the Tree of Life

In <mb7e6oINN…@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> ja…@orpheus.Eng.Sun.COM (Jack F. Vogel) wrote:
: I have been expanding my horizons, as it were, reading some more
: Jewish oriented work on the Kabalah (specifically A. Kaplan’s
: ‘Sefer Yetzirah’). And I have come across the interesting fact
: that the assignment of the alphabetic keys to the 22 paths
: IS COMPLETELY different than the non-Jewish Esoteric tradition.

I too am researching the Jewish and other esoteric teachings of
the Cabala, Qabala and Kabbalah (many other spellings).

The Cipher of Genesis, The Original Code of the Qabala as Applied to
the Scriptures by Carlo Suares ISBN: 0-87728-740-6 published by
Samuel Weiser, Inc., 1992. (Same publisher as The Book of the Law
[OTO Copyright])

Kabbalah, An Introduction and Illumination for the World Today by
Charles Ponce ISBN: 0-8356-0510-8 published by Quest Books, 1973.

Zolar’s Encyclopedia of Ancient and Forbidden Knowledge by Zolar
ISBN: 0-668-05894-3 published by Prentice Hall, 1986.

Great Tales of Jewish and Occult and Fantasy, The Dybbuk and 30 Other
Classic Stories Compiled, translated by Joachim Neugroschel,
ISBN: 0-517-06005-1 Published by Wings Books (Random House) 1991.

: I have also noted that none of the non-Jewish writings that I
: have read deal with this issue AT ALL. Either they are ignorant
: of the difference or choose to ignore it. This is also odd,
: because to me the Jewish assignments make more sense in certain
: ways.

Mostly, they chose to ignore it.  The Jewish traditions come to
us from a well preserved historical documents.  Some of the ideas
appear to have been based upon the Jewish (Kabbalah) and changed
(as they wanted their own mystic teachings) to fit the needs of
those using the knowledge.

: I wondered if anyone out there is familiar with both, and can
: either point me at something written on the topic I’ve missed,
: or could speak to the issue themselves.

I am also interested in learning more about this intriguing topic.

Shalom.  Go in peace.
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Deities etc (Was: Women in Masonic Traditions)

schen…@ms.uky.edu (Richard Schennberg) wrote many messages including:
: Another Christian who has the gifts of prophecy and discernment has told
: me that I also have those spiritual gifts.

And like a fool, you believe this person? }:>

Use your ‘gifts’ in another group, where Christian topics are welcome!

: I first began posting on
: alt.pagan when I was fasting and praying.  The Spirit of the Living God
: has seriously influenced my life, including my discussions on this
: newsgroup.

I am glad that you were attempting to cleanse your life (fasting & prayer).
However, the hunger has apparently affected your ability to reason.
Please post your rantings on talk.religion.misc, soc.religion.christian
where Christians are welcome to express their views.

: This is in fact a mystical experience, hence my interest in
: alt.magick

And to what do you attribute this ‘mystical experience’?
BTW, what are you stating that happenned here that was mystical to you
that caused you to believe this assumption?

: (BTW, I know this thread is cross-posted to alt.pagan.  It is
: up to you if you wish to remove some of the discussions from that group
: by removing it from the header, but I will reply to all orignial newsgroups).

Please QUIT POSTING HERE IF YOU ARE GOING TO PERSIST IN THESE RANTINGS!

:>Jennifer Carolyn Boggess <jbogg…@owlnet.rice.edu> wrote:
:>>
:>>And is this newsgroup necessarily non-Xtian?  It’s not
:>>necessarily Xtian-friendly, but with Tyagi around nothing
:>>sacred is safe here.  It’s alt.pagan that is non-Xtian by
:>>definition.

Absolutely correct.  Richard has completely lost his ability to reason.

: alt.pagan does not have an interest in Christianity.  However,
: many do talk about Christianity and Jesus.  I will discuss this
: subject only if:
: – someone else cross-posts to alt.pagan or
: – someone else brings up the subject

Most of the discussions are attempting to learn something about the
why’s and wherefores of the religion, not in converting the readers
to Christianity, which is what your recent postings have been an
obvious attempt to do!

:CLIS library <lecu…@wam.umd.edu> wrote:

:>I believe that most usenet groups have some sort of guideline
:>statement, besides the FAQ. It was probably posted around the
:>time of the begining (OOOOO, doesn’t *that* sound mystical).

I will second that opinion. :)  The FAQ and charter have the
quideline that preaching is _not_ tolerated in this group.

:>Never the less, the FAQ makes it quite clear the postings of the
:>nature of Richard’s (ack! pituie!), Brent’s (not quite as bad),
:>and Jennifer’s (vaguely amusing), are not appropriate on this
:>newsgroup.

Until recently, Richard was almost tolerable.  As of late, he has
been downright obnoxious.

:>This is not a forum for Christians to practice their
:>preaching in. (Unless they are practicing "love thy neighbor
:>as thyself")

Absolutely.  (I hope that I have been adhering to this, pretty well)

:>It is, in fact specified as a Neo-pagan forum.
:>That’s why it is called alt.pagan and not alt.ecumenical.
:>Got it!?!

Richard cannot (will not) read.  He now has his own adjenda.  Is
it about time to see about speaking with his SysAdmin at the University
of Kentucky?

: I have spoken with our Director of Math Sciences about the subject
: of internet censorship.  He basically says there is none.  He has
: been chairman of both our Mathematics and Computer Science Departments,
: is currently in charge of our computer systems, so I certainly trust
: his word over yours.

However, one does not post to groups where the topic of discussion is not
wanted or is improper.

1.  The topic has not been about Masons and Women for quite some time.
This has been the topic of this thread for a long time, and does not
fit any of the past 50 or so posts with this title.

2.  Alt.magick is not the appropriate group to discuss _any_ specific
religion.  Especially Christianity.

3.  Alt.pagan is not the appropriate group to discuss Christianity.

Please change the topic, if it indeed changes.

Please refrain from further discussions about Christianity.

: Go threaten a wimpy baby-Christian that needs
: to be strengthened by enduring persecution.

You are acting like an immature (baby) christian by persisting in
this line of postings which are not wanted.

: [High and mighty witlessing deleted]
: I have told you the truth.  They are vain imaginations or lying
: spirits, and [Xtian unnecessary drivel deleted]
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Go away.  Your witlessing on this group are not wanted.

I too am a Christian.  I am not about to impose my views on those
who do not want to hear the message.  This is supposed to be a safe
haven where the magickal (a.m) and pagan (a.p) can meet without the
constant barrage of Xian Witlessing.

Shalom.  Go in peace. (Just be sure to GO!)
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Re: Understanding/Knowledge

In <1993Oct8.144939.13…@cee.hw.ac.uk> b…@icbl.hw.ac.uk (Bill Laurie) wrote:
: How does one meet (as strangers) those who are NOT
: continuously looking backward at texts that were writen for that period.

Why forget the past?  One that does not learn from it is doomed to repeat it?

:( What happened to the women/men  who were not tied to the past or bullied
: by the present ) I am a man of limited academic education and I sometime

Now I understand, you do not want to take the time to study … }:>

: wonder why so much time is spent on analysing the past, when the present
: is so much easier to understand for the student who lives in this time.

True.  It is often useful to learn how we came to be in this predicament
or came to know certain somethings.  It is more often useful to use a
wheel than attempt to reinvent it, No?

: In the distant past, life was a period of slow change and the teachers could
: use old terminology with the same effectivness as the language of the
: time. Today we are entering a period that has comunication as a new
: concept ( no I don’t mean digital ) so why do we seem to have constant
: discussions on the past masters/systems. I realise, what worked then will
: work now, but what happened to ** lets try this new? **  …

No problem with that.  But remember, you learn the old way first.
Improvise, alter until it becomes part of you or you part of it?

: If past knowlege gives us enlightenment, lets decipher it,
: then rewrite it in a way that gives all the HORRER of man/god to new
: neophytes and then they may be able to give to the children the knowlege
: of the Light that is not to be found without at this time.
: Please address all replies to my own MailBox….

But they too would not want to read the past (what I wrote above and you
just read is now part of the past … neat paradox, huh?).

You start the post with why look at the past, and end with lets take
what was done in the past and change it, just for the sake of change.
This in and of itself is _not_ good.  Change should come about with
a definite purpose, not just to be different.

Shalom.  Go in peace.
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Re: What type of men does Masonry admit? (Was Re: Women & Masons)

In <294k1s$…@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>,
morg…@wam.umd.edu (Morgan Pierceheart) saw fit to write:

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>Doug Pavey (doug.pa…@cccbbs.UUCP) wrote:
>: In <CE70tt….@ms.uky.edu>, schen…@ms.uky.edu (Richard Schennberg) writes:
>: : Perhaps we could just go back to the subject of Masonic ethics,
>: : and ask our distinguished friends:
>: [Deleted]
>: Perhaps.  Especially if the sexual orientation of the man in question
>: is not known to members of the investigating committee or the Lodge.
>: The question of one’s beliefs in areas of religion, politics or sex
>: are _not_ discussed while investigating the individual for reccomendation
>: prior to admission into the fraternity.

> I have one small point to make, and I would prefer that any Masons out there
> respond to me at parsha…@norwich.bitnet.

> My background, for those of you who don’t know me from the summer, is eclectic.
> I believe in Goddess and God, from a Wiccan stand point, but from a Magickal
> standpoint I believe in something higher than bothe, which is INFINITE, and
> cannot therefore be understood by finite humanity.  I choose to call this
> "source" which created everything, and is everything, GOD, but with the idea
> of no gender and all genders.

Several Masons who post upon this and other groups are not Christian and
do not believe in a single Deity (They also live in California).

> Now, with that in mind, here at school, there is an acquaintance of mine who
> is a Mason.  I let him know, by means of asking him what he _could_ tell
> me about the group, that I had turned in an application.  Some days later, he
> came to ask me about my religious beliefs and practices, and I basically told
> him what I said earlier in this post.  Was what he did improper, by the
> standards of the order?

No.  You must profess a belief in Deity.  The specifics of your beliefs
are your own responsibility.  We do not set the guidelines for your faith,
but we do require faith in Deity as it is the cornerstone upon which the
structure of the fraternity is built.

> Note, at no time, did he tell me that he was part of
> an investigation team, which I have been told the team will explicitly
> inform an investigatee of.

The bylaws of _most_ Lodges forbid the petition signers from participation
on the investigating committee to insure that it is impartial.  The men on
the committee should not know you prior to the investigation.

> Should he, from the point of view of Lodge propriety,
> have even been talking to me, specifically about the matter he did.

He was probably making sure that you fit the basic criterion for membership:

1.  Profess a belief in Deity.
2.  Free born (Not a Slave or owe a duty to another ‘master)
Thus you can have a ‘free’ will.
3.  A Man.
4.  Of Legal Age (Most jurisdictions, this is 21 years old)
5.  Of ‘good moral character’.  This is the primary purpose of
the investigation committee and their questions.
We do _not_ admit convicted felons.

> Or, did I shoot myself in the foot, by volunteering the fact that I had
> completed my petition?

It sould have little or no impact.  If it does, find another Lodge, more
open to your views.  It is much simpler to answer that your faith is in
a god, No?  Explaination is not required or expected.

Keep in mind also, that the teachings and rites have their basis in the
Holy Scriptures (Bible – Old Testament, for the most part).

Morgan Pierceheart (morg…@wam.umd.edu) wrote:

: Would the Mason from Cincinatti (forgot your name, lost the thread)
: please contact me via private email (parsha…@norwich.bitnet)
: regarding the questions I posed about investigation?

‘Tis me.  See my email address below in the sig, it works!

I recieve regular mail from Tyagi and Doug Freyburger (jpl.nasa.gov)
at this address (in the sig, not the header).

: Morgan Pierceheart/Thomas P. Parshall
: 4thdeg, KofC

KofC and your beliefs?  Interesting.  Let your Masonic investigators
know that.  It should quell their questions about religion. }:>

: Also, are there any other newsgroups either directly or indirectly
: related to the Masons?  I would assume not, but one never knows.

Alt.Magick is a better place to hang out than Alt.pagan for Masonic
communications.  Email is even better.

Shalom.  Go in peace.
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Re: was, Women in Masonic Traditions, is deities,

gw…@ace.com (Greatwolf) writes:
> all christianity breeds in any form is elitism…

Why, I was just reading St. Franics of Assisi the other day, and "elitist"
was just the word that came to mind.

Sigh.  Could you be over-generalizing just a wee bit here?

> Ever Ream Malachi?

Why, no.  I can’t say I ever have ;) .

> keep the newsgroup clean! purify
> it, and protect it from bible thumping twits!

Why I do I hear "Die Walküre" starting up in the background?

Get a grip.

Peace,

Amanda Walker

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Magic Squares

I am sure you all know the planetary magic-squares. Each planet is given
one in talismanic operations (saturn is 3×3, jupiter is 4×4,….). In
_all_ of the published material I have seen there are flaws in the kameas,
or magic-squares.

The originals were written using hebrew numbering, and there seems to have
been the usual confusion concerning 5s and 8s when they have been translated.

If anyone needs the proper magic squares then I have them, either email me
or coerce me to put them on here if there is any demand.

Out of interest I would love to know if you have found any books etc that
have got them right. They also seem to confuse the spirits of Mars and the
Sun (this goes way back many many years, and seems to have been copied
without checking).

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   || .’     ….  … ..  …   ..   E U          L.Robe…@shef.ac.uk    
   ||’|.   .|…||  ||’  ’  ||   ||    R           l…@marvin.cc.ttu.ee
   ||  ||  ||       ||      ||   ||   E U          ke…@santafe.edu
  .||.  ||. ‘|…’ .||.     ‘|…|’  K   X  

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the reoccurence of RMR

   RMR…

   Glad to have you back.  Your posts usually make me laugh for a long time…
keep ‘em coming.
        rich

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