I thought it might be edifying for the people in here to see a post from
psychotic Tom. Feast your eyes and consider what balderdah this man peddles
as Magic. Magical gender swap and shape shifting indeed. Note he speaks of
his own experience, which is doubtless as bogus and fictitious as his
experience of ‘eating spirits’ but it is interesting to get an insight into
how his mind works.
It is uncommon to see such advanced self-delusion. Psychotic beyind a doubt.
A
From: Tom Schuler <d…@teleport.com>
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: shape shifting
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:48:41 -0700
oispe…@acsu.buffalo.edu wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Tom Schuler wrote:
>>Some time ago, there was a discussion here about gender changing which
>>was prompted by a fellow who wanted to engage in a magical gender swap
>>with his girlfriend during sex. With a very high degree of rapport and
>>some disciplined imaging skills, it is possible to create some effects
>>which seem very close to actually changing gender.
> Details please.
To establish the proper rapport, it is necessary to pay close attention
to your partner and communicate as best you can how something feels,
especially as regards erogenous zones and feelings of arousal. Men and
women process sexual feelings somewhat differently, so it is important to
describe how things feel in detail. (This is also the first step one
should take before attempting to enter an non-human experience, except
that non-humans aren’t able to tell you so expressly how they feel.)
Once you have a very good understanding of the other gender’s experience,
you can build a body of that gender in your imagination. The method for
doing this that seems to work best for me is the Body of Light, in which
you create the form as if it is outside you and then enter the form and
animate it. Work on operating the new body and feeling all your senses
through it. The better you get at this, the more exciting your encounter
will be.
Simultaneously, use your most vivid astral projection technique to enter
a subjective space in which you and your partner meet and make love.
With practice you can get very good at this.
Finally, while physically making love, evoke the Body of Light and
superimpose it on your partner’s physical form and experience the
physical love-making form both points of view at once.
This can be a very serious form of what sex therapists call "cathedral
sex" in which lovemaking has a profoundly spiritual effect.
"FrankB" <you….@request.net> wrote in message
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> Archangel wrote, a écrit, schreef, escribio in alt.magick, <j%O2f.8216
> $vt2.46…@fe08.news.easynews.com> :
>> From: Tom Schuler <d…@teleport.com>
> How many timy times has Tommie had his account cancelled/busted_up/ ?
> —
> ./
Lots. Here is a post from a while back that shows he was even worse then
than now. At least he has improved a little in the last few months, he
doesnt pretend to be a magician any more as he used to.
Wed Oct 14 00:24:07 EST 1998
As you seem to, Tom Schuler; you are like someone running after
something in the magick rooms without really knowing what you want,
as you are obviously not able to discern serious magic data there from
belief-nonsense and have been attacking both,
and yet hover on there like a moth drawn to fire.
How true. A lost child. A sick child. A psychotic child. Who has had his
backside soundly kicked and not before time. The man has no credibility
left, it is all gone and what remains is a shell that we can all piss into.
At least that way he can be of *some* use.
A
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> Lots. Here is a post from a while back that shows he was even worse then
> than now. At least he has improved a little in the last few months, he
> doesnt pretend to be a magician any more as he used to.
> Wed Oct 14 00:24:07 EST 1998
> As you seem to, Tom Schuler; you are like someone running after
> something in the magick rooms without really knowing what you want,
> as you are obviously not able to discern serious magic data there from
> belief-nonsense and have been attacking both,
> and yet hover on there like a moth drawn to fire.
> How true. A lost child. A sick child. A psychotic child. Who has had his
> backside soundly kicked and not before time. The man has no credibility
> left, it is all gone and what remains is a shell that we can all piss
> into. At least that way he can be of *some* use.
Very interesting. Archangel claims to have "kicked Tom’s ass" back in 1998
and here comes this quoted rant from a druggie who claims he’s telepathic
and resents having his claim challenged, which Archangel describes as
kicking my "backside". Is the facade criumbling. Is "Archangel" just an
old druggie who has borne a petty grudge all these years?
See my post in "You hum it… and I’ll play it (Was What the hell…?)" for
further examination of the parallels between what "Archangel" has said and
what "Cijadrachon" wrote.
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> I thought it might be edifying for the people in here to see a post from
> psychotic Tom. Feast your eyes and consider what balderdah this man
peddles
> as Magic. Magical gender swap and shape shifting indeed. Note he speaks of
> his own experience, which is doubtless as bogus and fictitious as his
> experience of ‘eating spirits’ but it is interesting to get an insight
into
> how his mind works.
> It is uncommon to see such advanced self-delusion. Psychotic beyind a
doubt.
> A
> From: Tom Schuler <d…@teleport.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.magick
> Subject: Re: shape shifting
> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:48:41 -0700
> oispe…@acsu.buffalo.edu wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Tom Schuler wrote:
> >>Some time ago, there was a discussion here about gender changing which
> >>was prompted by a fellow who wanted to engage in a magical gender swap
> >>with his girlfriend during sex. With a very high degree of rapport and
> >>some disciplined imaging skills, it is possible to create some effects
> >>which seem very close to actually changing gender.
> > Details please.
> To establish the proper rapport, it is necessary to pay close attention
> to your partner and communicate as best you can how something feels,
> especially as regards erogenous zones and feelings of arousal. Men and
> women process sexual feelings somewhat differently, so it is important to
> describe how things feel in detail. (This is also the first step one
> should take before attempting to enter an non-human experience, except
> that non-humans aren’t able to tell you so expressly how they feel.)
> Once you have a very good understanding of the other gender’s experience,
> you can build a body of that gender in your imagination. The method for
> doing this that seems to work best for me is the Body of Light, in which
> you create the form as if it is outside you and then enter the form and
> animate it. Work on operating the new body and feeling all your senses
> through it. The better you get at this, the more exciting your encounter
> will be.
> Simultaneously, use your most vivid astral projection technique to enter
> a subjective space in which you and your partner meet and make love.
> With practice you can get very good at this.
> Finally, while physically making love, evoke the Body of Light and
> superimpose it on your partner’s physical form and experience the
> physical love-making form both points of view at once.
> This can be a very serious form of what sex therapists call "cathedral
> sex" in which lovemaking has a profoundly spiritual effect.
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BTD: I don’t understand the purpose of these various posts. Could you
explain?
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> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>> Lots. Here is a post from a while back that shows he was even worse then
>> than now. At least he has improved a little in the last few months, he
>> doesnt pretend to be a magician any more as he used to.
>> Wed Oct 14 00:24:07 EST 1998
>> As you seem to, Tom Schuler; you are like someone running after
>> something in the magick rooms without really knowing what you want,
>> as you are obviously not able to discern serious magic data there from
>> belief-nonsense and have been attacking both,
>> and yet hover on there like a moth drawn to fire.
>> How true. A lost child. A sick child. A psychotic child. Who has had his
>> backside soundly kicked and not before time. The man has no credibility
>> left, it is all gone and what remains is a shell that we can all piss
>> into. At least that way he can be of *some* use.
> Very interesting. Archangel claims to have "kicked Tom’s ass" back in
> 1998 and here comes this quoted rant from a druggie who claims he’s
> telepathic and resents having his claim challenged, which Archangel
> describes as kicking my "backside". Is the facade criumbling. Is
> "Archangel" just an old druggie who has borne a petty grudge all these
> years?
Hang on… I just quoted something from Cat a while back. Perhaps I am Cat.
What you think Kimosabe?
Nice try but no Tom, that post wasnt from me, I merely found it and posted
it… doesnt make me him. Druggie was he? Would have got on just fine with
Douggie Grant then, so long as he got off on pain and humiliation as well of
course.
Talking about sexual perversions Tom, how is the old ‘gender change’
technique going? LOL I always said you behaved like a big girl, now it seems
we know why…
A
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> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>> Lots. Here is a post from a while back that shows he was even worse then
>> than now. At least he has improved a little in the last few months, he
>> doesnt pretend to be a magician any more as he used to.
>> Wed Oct 14 00:24:07 EST 1998
>> As you seem to, Tom Schuler; you are like someone running after
>> something in the magick rooms without really knowing what you want,
>> as you are obviously not able to discern serious magic data there from
>> belief-nonsense and have been attacking both,
>> and yet hover on there like a moth drawn to fire.
>> How true. A lost child. A sick child. A psychotic child. Who has had his
>> backside soundly kicked and not before time. The man has no credibility
>> left, it is all gone and what remains is a shell that we can all piss
>> into. At least that way he can be of *some* use.
> Very interesting. Archangel claims to have "kicked Tom’s ass" back in
> 1998
where did I claim this Tom? Truth now… no post-editing
I think you
will actually find that I found a post from someone who was having trouble
with your fraud at that time. and posted that, just to remind you that your
dishonesty is rather a long-term problem for you…
> and here comes this quoted rant from a druggie who claims he’s telepathic
> and resents having his claim challenged, which Archangel describes as
> kicking my "backside". Is the facade criumbling. Is "Archangel" just an
> old druggie who has borne a petty grudge all these years?
It is always worth debunking you Tom, especially in your more ‘extreme’
mendacities… I think you will actually find that I found a post from
someone who was having trouble with your fraud at that time. and posted
that, just to remind you that your dishonesty is rather a long-term problem
for you…
A
"Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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Psychotic Tom is in the process of taking his own medicine. Only from
someone who is better at dishing it out.
The bully is getting his ass kicked.
A
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> "Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>>> Lots. Here is a post from a while back that shows he was even worse then
>>> than now. At least he has improved a little in the last few months, he
>>> doesnt pretend to be a magician any more as he used to.
>>> Wed Oct 14 00:24:07 EST 1998
>>> As you seem to, Tom Schuler; you are like someone running after
>>> something in the magick rooms without really knowing what you want,
>>> as you are obviously not able to discern serious magic data there from
>>> belief-nonsense and have been attacking both,
>>> and yet hover on there like a moth drawn to fire.
>>> How true. A lost child. A sick child. A psychotic child. Who has had his
>>> backside soundly kicked and not before time. The man has no credibility
>>> left, it is all gone and what remains is a shell that we can all piss
>>> into. At least that way he can be of *some* use.
>> Very interesting. Archangel claims to have "kicked Tom’s ass" back in
>> 1998
> where did I claim this Tom?
In a previous post. Are you saying you did not claim to have kicked my ass
back then?
> I think you
> will actually find that I found a post from someone who was having trouble
> with your fraud at that time.
There was nothing about fraud in the post you quoted. Truth now. No
post-editing.:)
The guy was mad at me because I dared to tell him that, if he really had the
amazing psychic powers he claimed to have, he should go take the Amazing
Randi’s $1 M challenge and demonstrate it. He didn’t like that suggestion,
not one little bit. Like you, he absolutely hated the idea that someone
wouldn’t take his unsubstantiated word for his claims. Just like you.
I still wonder how it happens that you dug up that particular post, though,
if it wasn’t one you remember having posted yourself. It seems so unlikely.
It was an obscure post from a loonie who posted for only a few months way
back in 1998 and never again, just around the same time that *you* alluded
that you had been posting under some other pseudonym and had allegedly
kicked my ass. Just how did it happen that you ended up reading this guy’s
message and thinking it was of such devastating potency that it should be
repeated? It sounds very much like you think this particular druggie should
get some respectful attention afer all this time. Gee, I wonder why.
>> and here comes this quoted rant from a druggie who claims he’s telepathic
>> and resents having his claim challenged, which Archangel describes as
>> kicking my "backside". Is the facade crumbling. Is "Archangel" just an
>> old druggie who has borne a petty grudge all these years?
> It is always worth debunking you Tom,
By posting a rant from a guy who says he likes to screw with the heads of
people he doses with LSD. His rant came from his anger over the fact that I
didn’t believe his claim to be a powerful psychic. Yes, that’s a pretty
powerful piece of testimony about how awful *I* am, alright. Heh.
> especially in your more ‘extreme’ mendacities…
Can you please point out exactly what "extreme mendacity’ of mine that you
imagine this bozo was reacting to?
> I think you will actually find that I found a post from
> someone who was having trouble with your fraud at that time.
He was having trouble with the fact that he wasn’t being believed without
offering a shred of evidence. Just like you. The similarities are quite
noticable.
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> "Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>>> Lots. Here is a post from a while back that shows he was even worse then
>>> than now. At least he has improved a little in the last few months, he
>>> doesnt pretend to be a magician any more as he used to.
>>> Wed Oct 14 00:24:07 EST 1998
>>> As you seem to, Tom Schuler; you are like someone running after
>>> something in the magick rooms without really knowing what you want,
>>> as you are obviously not able to discern serious magic data there from
>>> belief-nonsense and have been attacking both,
>>> and yet hover on there like a moth drawn to fire.
>>> How true. A lost child. A sick child. A psychotic child. Who has had his
>>> backside soundly kicked and not before time. The man has no credibility
>>> left, it is all gone and what remains is a shell that we can all piss
>>> into. At least that way he can be of *some* use.
>> Very interesting. Archangel claims to have "kicked Tom’s ass" back in
>> 1998 and here comes this quoted rant from a druggie who claims he’s
>> telepathic and resents having his claim challenged, which Archangel
>> describes as kicking my "backside". Is the facade criumbling. Is
>> "Archangel" just an old druggie who has borne a petty grudge all these
>> years?
> Hang on… I just quoted something from Cat a while back. Perhaps I am
> Cat. What you think Kimosabe?
> Nice try but no Tom, that post wasnt from me, I merely found it and posted
> it… doesnt make me him. Druggie was he? Would have got on just fine
> with Douggie Grant then, so long as he got off on pain and humiliation as
> well of course.
> Talking about sexual perversions Tom, how is the old ‘gender change’
> technique going? LOL I always said you behaved like a big girl, now it
> seems
> we know why…
> A
"Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> Very interesting. Archangel claims to have "kicked Tom’s ass" back in
>> 1998 and here comes this quoted rant from a druggie who claims he’s
>> telepathic and resents having his claim challenged, which Archangel
>> describes as kicking my "backside". Is the facade criumbling. Is
>> "Archangel" just an old druggie who has borne a petty grudge all these
>> years?
> Hang on… I just quoted something from Cat a while back. Perhaps I am
> Cat.
There are some differences. Cat makes no attempt to hide her identity at
all. Both you and the unknown druggie you have put up on a pedestal use
only pseudonyms. Cat was a prominent past presence in alt.magick, whose
remarks could easily be selected by anyone doing a little cursory work to
discover examples of folks who have been at various times offended by some
comment of mine. The druggie you quoted never was, having only posted for a
brief period of time and then vanishing, just as you’ve indicated that you
did. How it happens that this small-fry is elevated to respectful status
and whose remarks are taken as evidence of my "fraud" seems to defy any
resonable explanation, unless, of course, you *are* him. Then it makes at
least some sort of sense.
> Nice try but no Tom, that post wasnt from me, I merely found it and posted
> it… doesnt make me him. Druggie was he?
If you merely came across his post and read it, discovering by happenstance
some reference to me, you would have known he was a druggie, since the post
contains an admission of extensive drug use and bragging about how he can
manipulate others by dosing them with hallucinogens and telling them lies
about himself in order to harm them. Quite the character you chose to
represent the caliber of person who objects to my comments.
So how exactly did you happen to come across this particular person and
select him to serve as your example?
> Talking about sexual perversions Tom,
We weren’t. You were. And are. And probably always will be. You seem to
spend a lot of time fantasizing about sexual "perversions".
> how is the old ‘gender change’ technique going?
Do you believe that changing gender is a "perversion"? I’m not surprised.
You’ve displayed a number of spiteful little hate-trips. Now it’s
transgendered folks who are the "perverts", eh?
> LOL I always said you behaved like a big girl, now it seems
> we know why…
Misogyny and intolerance of sexual preferences is not the hallmark of a good
therapist. But then again, you have never actually claimed to be a *good*
therapist. But then again, even though you have claimed to be a therapist,
you have not provided a shred of evidence that you actually are one. You
lied blatantly about where you got your qualifications.
"Fraud". Heh.
"Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> BTD: I don’t understand the purpose of these various posts. Could you
> explain?
The explanation is included in the first of the posts he quoted.
>> > On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Tom Schuler wrote:
>> >>Some time ago, there was a discussion here about gender changing which
>> >>was prompted by a fellow who wanted to engage in a magical gender swap
>> >>with his girlfriend during sex. With a very high degree of rapport and
>> >>some disciplined imaging skills, it is possible to create some effects
>> >>which seem very close to actually changing gender.
See? It’s about using one’s imagination and ability to achieve rapport with
one’s sex partner in order to vividly experience something very similar to
what one’s partner is experiencing.
BTW, what do you think about Archangel’s assertion that changing one’s
gender is a "perversion"?
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> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > BTD: I don’t understand the purpose of these various posts. Could you
> > explain?
> The explanation is included in the first of the posts he quoted.
> >> > On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Tom Schuler wrote:
> >> >>Some time ago, there was a discussion here about gender changing
which
> >> >>was prompted by a fellow who wanted to engage in a magical gender
swap
> >> >>with his girlfriend during sex. With a very high degree of rapport
and
> >> >>some disciplined imaging skills, it is possible to create some
effects
> >> >>which seem very close to actually changing gender.
> See? It’s about using one’s imagination and ability to achieve rapport
with
> one’s sex partner in order to vividly experience something very similar to
> what one’s partner is experiencing.
> BTW, what do you think about Archangel’s assertion that changing one’s
> gender is a "perversion"?
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BTD: Well Tom you’re doing well I hope I didn’t get a chance to say hello
and all that for which I apologize.
Well there’s something wrong with this guy, obviously. I was confused by the
way he posted all of this information: a reasonable person of average
sensibilities couldn’t discern who was stating what. Obviously intended to
mislead or confuse. Kind of sophomoric in that regard as well.
In the first place I don’t see anything unusal about what you wrote in 1997.
Rather succinct and to the point. I mean this sort of thing is pretty
typical stuff in terms of sexual experimentation particularly with Sex
Magick. Gender really makes no difference. Either person may be the
operator, executants or whatever you want to call it.
In the second place, gender is irrelevant except in two instances of
clothing, a bra and a jockstrap the rest are all arbitrary impositions
placed on people as if we are some sort of subjects to a Patriarchy with a
master plan to people a nation, territory or whatever. We could talk about
that forever.
I was telling someone the other day, that a pervert isn’t a person that
wants to jerk off to someone’s ankles, a pervert is a person that wants to
jerk off to someone’s ankles but make sure they have a pussy first.
http://blazintommyd.yafro.com
"Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> BTD: Well Tom you’re doing well I hope I didn’t get a chance to say hello
> and all that for which I apologize.
No apologies necessary. We all have busy lives.
> Well there’s something wrong with this guy, obviously. I was confused by
> the
> way he posted all of this information: a reasonable person of average
> sensibilities couldn’t discern who was stating what. Obviously intended to
> mislead or confuse. Kind of sophomoric in that regard as well.
Well, he’s intent on sowing as much confusion and strife as he can. It’s
sort of like a child throwing a temper tantrum in front of guests. It’s all
about getting attention by engaging in disruptive behavior. There’s a big
"See what you made me do" blame factor as well.
> In the first place I don’t see anything unusal about what you wrote in
> 1997.
> Rather succinct and to the point. I mean this sort of thing is pretty
> typical stuff in terms of sexual experimentation particularly with Sex
> Magick. Gender really makes no difference. Either person may be the
> operator, executants or whatever you want to call it.
That’s sort of how I see it, too. I think the "archangel" guy just saw the
words "gender change" and his homosexual panic shut down his reading
comprehension, substituting a bizarre fantasy instead.
> In the second place, gender is irrelevant except in two instances of
> clothing, a bra and a jockstrap the rest are all arbitrary impositions
> placed on people as if we are some sort of subjects to a Patriarchy with a
> master plan to people a nation, territory or whatever. We could talk about
> that forever.
Gender itself is a very versatile concept. It’s applied to all sorts of
things other than someone’s physical sexual organs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
> I was telling someone the other day, that a pervert isn’t a person that
> wants to jerk off to someone’s ankles, a pervert is a person that wants to
> jerk off to someone’s ankles but make sure they have a pussy first.
I guess definitions of "pervert" vary, too.
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Archangel wrote:
> "Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>"Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>>>Lots. Here is a post from a while back that shows he was even worse then
>>>than now. At least he has improved a little in the last few months, he
>>>doesnt pretend to be a magician any more as he used to.
>>>Wed Oct 14 00:24:07 EST 1998
>>>As you seem to, Tom Schuler; you are like someone running after
>>>something in the magick rooms without really knowing what you want,
>>>as you are obviously not able to discern serious magic data there from
>>>belief-nonsense and have been attacking both,
>>>and yet hover on there like a moth drawn to fire.
>>>How true. A lost child. A sick child. A psychotic child. Who has had his
>>>backside soundly kicked and not before time. The man has no credibility
>>>left, it is all gone and what remains is a shell that we can all piss
>>>into. At least that way he can be of *some* use.
>>Very interesting. Archangel claims to have "kicked Tom’s ass" back in
>>1998
> where did I claim this Tom? Truth now… no post-editing
I think you
> will actually find that I found a post from someone who was having trouble
> with your fraud at that time. and posted that, just to remind you that your
> dishonesty is rather a long-term problem for you…
>>and here comes this quoted rant from a druggie who claims he’s telepathic
>>and resents having his claim challenged, which Archangel describes as
>>kicking my "backside". Is the facade criumbling. Is "Archangel" just an
>>old druggie who has borne a petty grudge all these years?
> It is always worth debunking you Tom, especially in your more ‘extreme’
> mendacities… I think you will actually find that I found a post from
> someone who was having trouble with your fraud at that time. and posted
> that, just to remind you that your dishonesty is rather a long-term problem
> for you…
> A
Tom must have hit close to home on this one, since archASS had
to reply twice to it.
-Douglas
Archangel wrote:
> "Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>"Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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> Psychotic Tom is in the process of taking his own medicine. Only from
> someone who is better at dishing it out.
> The bully is getting his ass kicked.
> A
Heh, you really are delusional… no one is
getting their ass kicked here.
And you definitely don’t qualify as a asskicker,
a prolific poster of nothing but crap but not a
asskicker.
-Douglas
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Dagon Productions wrote:
> Archangel wrote:
>> "Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:eO43f.41123$K91.14677@twister.nyroc.rr.com…
>>> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
>>> news:j%O2f.82161$vt2.46394@fe08.news.easynews.com…
>> Psychotic Tom is in the process of taking his own medicine. Only from
>> someone who is better at dishing it out.
>> The bully is getting his ass kicked.
>> A
> Heh, you really are delusional… no one is
> getting their ass kicked here.
> And you definitely don’t qualify as a asskicker,
> a prolific poster of nothing but crap but not a
> asskicker.
> -Douglas
Not so. He is getting his ass kicked.
Like you said, effective flames have an
element of truth to them. Given that, his
flames are nothing more than colorful lights.
The flames being delivered on him though,
seem to be creating an odor of burning sock.
Tom wrote:
> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
> > Hang on… I just quoted something from Cat a while back. Perhaps
> > I am Cat.
> There are some differences. Cat makes no attempt to hide her
> identity at all.
That is correct.
> Both you and the unknown druggie you have put up on a pedestal use
> only pseudonyms. Cat was a prominent past presence in alt.magick,
I disagree. I posted here regularly a few years ago, but i was by no
means prominent, if for no other reason than that my personal
magical practices did not accord with majority interests in this
newsgroup.
> whose remarks could easily be selected by anyone doing a little
> cursory work to discover examples of folks who have been at
> various times offended by some comment of mine.
Is that what you think, Tom — that i have been "offended" by your
"comments"? If so, please allow me to correct your false impression.
In truth, i think your only connection to magic is as an
attention-hungry skeptic using techniques well-known to any carny
cold-reader mentalist to tediously (perhaps even obsessively) troll
this newsgroup with the intention of impeding and disrupting
conversations on the topic of record by accusing those with an
interest in the subject of being "frauds."
I remember well the years, long past, when your former credentials
in the magical community caused some here to respond to your
name-calling, mentalist tricks, and skeptical diversions with
attention and thoughtful respect; but now, having driven out almost
anyone of any talent, skill, or heart (look for them in moderated
Yahoo groups where you are not permitted to post), you are reduced
to playing mental tiddlywinks with anonymous passersby, a troll
defending a bridge almost no one even uses anymore.
It really is time for you to shut up and go away.
Cordially,
cat yronwode
The Sacred Landscape —— http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html
"Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> BTD: I don’t understand the purpose of these various posts. Could you
>> explain?
> The explanation is included in the first of the posts he quoted.
>>> > On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Tom Schuler wrote:
>>> >>Some time ago, there was a discussion here about gender changing which
>>> >>was prompted by a fellow who wanted to engage in a magical gender swap
>>> >>with his girlfriend during sex. With a very high degree of rapport
>>> >>and
>>> >>some disciplined imaging skills, it is possible to create some effects
>>> >>which seem very close to actually changing gender.
> See? It’s about using one’s imagination and ability to achieve rapport
> with one’s sex partner in order to vividly experience something very
> similar to what one’s partner is experiencing.
> BTW, what do you think about Archangel’s assertion that changing one’s
> gender is a "perversion"?
This ought to be interesting Tom. How clever of you to be so manipulative.
BTD is a homosexual isnt he? (which he has every right to be and is quite
open about it). Snide Tom lad, very snide… but methinks you are making
another strawman which will only kick you in the ass. Again
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"Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > BTD: I don’t understand the purpose of these various posts. Could you
>> > explain?
>> The explanation is included in the first of the posts he quoted.
>> >> > On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Tom Schuler wrote:
>> >> >>Some time ago, there was a discussion here about gender changing
> which
>> >> >>was prompted by a fellow who wanted to engage in a magical gender
> swap
>> >> >>with his girlfriend during sex. With a very high degree of rapport
> and
>> >> >>some disciplined imaging skills, it is possible to create some
> effects
>> >> >>which seem very close to actually changing gender.
>> See? It’s about using one’s imagination and ability to achieve rapport
> with
>> one’s sex partner in order to vividly experience something very similar
>> to
>> what one’s partner is experiencing.
>> BTW, what do you think about Archangel’s assertion that changing one’s
>> gender is a "perversion"?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> In the first place I don’t see anything unusal about what you wrote in
> 1997.
> Rather succinct and to the point. I mean this sort of thing is pretty
> typical stuff in terms of sexual experimentation particularly with Sex
> Magick. Gender really makes no difference. Either person may be the
> operator, executants or whatever you want to call it.
> In the second place, gender is irrelevant except in two instances of
> clothing, a bra and a jockstrap the rest are all arbitrary impositions
> placed on people as if we are some sort of subjects to a Patriarchy with a
> master plan to people a nation, territory or whatever. We could talk about
> that forever.
I think you may find there is a *little* more to it than this…
"Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> BTD: Well Tom you’re doing well I hope I didn’t get a chance to say hello
>> and all that for which I apologize.
> No apologies necessary. We all have busy lives.
>> Well there’s something wrong with this guy, obviously. I was confused by
>> the
>> way he posted all of this information: a reasonable person of average
>> sensibilities couldn’t discern who was stating what. Obviously intended
>> to
>> mislead or confuse. Kind of sophomoric in that regard as well.
> Well, he’s intent on sowing as much confusion and strife as he can. It’s
> sort of like a child throwing a temper tantrum in front of guests. It’s
> all about getting attention by engaging in disruptive behavior. There’s a
> big "See what you made me do" blame factor as well.
>> In the first place I don’t see anything unusal about what you wrote in
>> 1997.
>> Rather succinct and to the point. I mean this sort of thing is pretty
>> typical stuff in terms of sexual experimentation particularly with Sex
>> Magick. Gender really makes no difference. Either person may be the
>> operator, executants or whatever you want to call it.
> That’s sort of how I see it, too. I think the "archangel" guy just saw
> the words "gender change" and his homosexual panic shut down his reading
> comprehension, substituting a bizarre fantasy instead.
>> In the second place, gender is irrelevant except in two instances of
>> clothing, a bra and a jockstrap the rest are all arbitrary impositions
>> placed on people as if we are some sort of subjects to a Patriarchy with
>> a
>> master plan to people a nation, territory or whatever. We could talk
>> about
>> that forever.
> Gender itself is a very versatile concept. It’s applied to all sorts of
> things other than someone’s physical sexual organs.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
>> I was telling someone the other day, that a pervert isn’t a person that
>> wants to jerk off to someone’s ankles, a pervert is a person that wants
>> to
>> jerk off to someone’s ankles but make sure they have a pussy first.
> I guess definitions of "pervert" vary, too.
Yep, a strawman it is…
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"Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>> "Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Lots. Here is a post from a while back that shows he was even worse
>>>> then
>>>> than now. At least he has improved a little in the last few months, he
>>>> doesnt pretend to be a magician any more as he used to.
>>>> Wed Oct 14 00:24:07 EST 1998
>>>> As you seem to, Tom Schuler; you are like someone running after
>>>> something in the magick rooms without really knowing what you want,
>>>> as you are obviously not able to discern serious magic data there from
>>>> belief-nonsense and have been attacking both,
>>>> and yet hover on there like a moth drawn to fire.
>>>> How true. A lost child. A sick child. A psychotic child. Who has had
>>>> his
>>>> backside soundly kicked and not before time. The man has no credibility
>>>> left, it is all gone and what remains is a shell that we can all piss
>>>> into. At least that way he can be of *some* use.
>>> Very interesting. Archangel claims to have "kicked Tom’s ass" back in
>>> 1998
>> where did I claim this Tom?
> In a previous post. Are you saying you did not claim to have kicked my
> ass back then?
I do
>> I think you
>> will actually find that I found a post from someone who was having
>> trouble
>> with your fraud at that time.
> There was nothing about fraud in the post you quoted. Truth now. No
> post-editing.:)
> The guy was mad at me because I dared to tell him that, if he really had
> the amazing psychic powers he claimed to have, he should go take the
> Amazing Randi’s $1 M challenge and demonstrate it. He didn’t like that
> suggestion, not one little bit. Like you, he absolutely hated the idea
> that someone wouldn’t take his unsubstantiated word for his claims. Just
> like you.
Aw now Tom, first you say I am him and now you say I am not him. make up
your mind son – which is it? Were you lying through your teeth then or are
you lying through your teeth now?
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> I still wonder how it happens that you dug up that particular post,
> though, if it wasn’t one you remember having posted yourself. It seems so
> unlikely. It was an obscure post from a loonie who posted for only a few
> months way back in 1998 and never again, just around the same time that
> *you* alluded that you had been posting under some other pseudonym and
> had allegedly kicked my ass. Just how did it happen that you ended up
> reading this guy’s message and thinking it was of such devastating potency
> that it should be repeated? It sounds very much like you think this
> particular druggie should get some respectful attention afer all this
> time. Gee, I wonder why.
>>> and here comes this quoted rant from a druggie who claims he’s
>>> telepathic
>>> and resents having his claim challenged, which Archangel describes as
>>> kicking my "backside". Is the facade crumbling. Is "Archangel" just
>>> an
>>> old druggie who has borne a petty grudge all these years?
>> It is always worth debunking you Tom,
> By posting a rant from a guy who says he likes to screw with the heads of
> people he doses with LSD. His rant came from his anger over the fact that
> I didn’t believe his claim to be a powerful psychic. Yes, that’s a pretty
> powerful piece of testimony about how awful *I* am, alright. Heh.
>> especially in your more ‘extreme’ mendacities…
> Can you please point out exactly what "extreme mendacity’ of mine
Well, saying I was this other guy was one… you want some more? You are a
known liar and fraud Tom, nothing much you can do about that now, you have
been doing it for too long you see…
>> I think you will actually find that I found a post from
>> someone who was having trouble with your fraud at that time.
> He was having trouble with the fact that he wasn’t being believed without
> offering a shred of evidence. Just like you. The similarities are quite
> noticable.
Aw now Tom, first you say I am him and now you say I am not him. make up
your mind son – which is it? Were you lying through your teeth then or are
you lying through your teeth now?
<chortle> just not having a good day are you?
<laugh>
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"Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>> "Tom" <askpermiss…@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Lots. Here is a post from a while back that shows he was even worse
>>>> then
>>>> than now. At least he has improved a little in the last few months, he
>>>> doesnt pretend to be a magician any more as he used to.
>>>> Wed Oct 14 00:24:07 EST 1998
>>>> As you seem to, Tom Schuler; you are like someone running after
>>>> something in the magick rooms without really knowing what you want,
>>>> as you are obviously not able to discern serious magic data there from
>>>> belief-nonsense and have been attacking both,
>>>> and yet hover on there like a moth drawn to fire.
>>>> How true. A lost child. A sick child. A psychotic child. Who has had
>>>> his
>>>> backside soundly kicked and not before time. The man has no credibility
>>>> left, it is all gone and what remains is a shell that we can all piss
>>>> into. At least that way he can be of *some* use.
>>> Very interesting. Archangel claims to have "kicked Tom’s ass" back in
>>> 1998 and here comes this quoted rant from a druggie who claims he’s
>>> telepathic and resents having his claim challenged, which Archangel
>>> describes as kicking my "backside". Is the facade criumbling. Is
>>> "Archangel" just an old druggie who has borne a petty grudge all these
>>> years?
>> Hang on… I just quoted something from Cat a while back. Perhaps I am
>> Cat. What you think Kimosabe?
>> Nice try but no Tom, that post wasnt from me, I merely found it and
>> posted it… doesnt make me him. Druggie was he? Would have got on just
>> fine with Douggie Grant then, so long as he got off on pain and
>> humiliation as well of course.
>> Talking about sexual perversions Tom, how is the old ‘gender change’
>> technique going? LOL I always said you behaved like a big girl, now it
>> seems
>> we know why…
>> A
Nothing intelligent to say in this post Tom lad? No change there then…
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"Dagon Productions" <missamyyo…@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Archangel wrote:
>> "Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>>"Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
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>> Psychotic Tom is in the process of taking his own medicine. Only from
>> someone who is better at dishing it out.
>> The bully is getting his ass kicked.
>> A
> Heh, you really are delusional… no one is
> getting their ass kicked here.
> And you definitely don’t qualify as a asskicker,
> a prolific poster of nothing but crap but not a
> asskicker.
> -Douglas
so nothing to worry about then…
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> Dagon Productions wrote:
>> Archangel wrote:
>>> "Blazin’ Tommy D." <td…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eO43f.41123$K91.14677@twister.nyroc.rr.com…
>>>> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:j%O2f.82161$vt2.46394@fe08.news.easynews.com…
>>> Psychotic Tom is in the process of taking his own medicine. Only from
>>> someone who is better at dishing it out.
>>> The bully is getting his ass kicked.
>>> A
>> Heh, you really are delusional… no one is
>> getting their ass kicked here.
>> And you definitely don’t qualify as a asskicker,
>> a prolific poster of nothing but crap but not a
>> asskicker.
>> -Douglas
> Not so. He is getting his ass kicked.
> Like you said, effective flames have an
> element of truth to them. Given that, his
> flames are nothing more than colorful lights.
> The flames being delivered on him though,
> seem to be creating an odor of burning sock.
Martin, you used to be mre objective. I guess my ‘self-esteem’ comment stung
a bit eh? Ah well…
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"catherine yronwode" <c…@luckymojo.com> wrote in message
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> Tom wrote:
>> "Archangel" <Archan…@nulldev.com> wrote in message
>> > Hang on… I just quoted something from Cat a while back. Perhaps
>> > I am Cat.
>> There are some differences. Cat makes no attempt to hide her
>> identity at all.
> That is correct.
>> Both you and the unknown druggie you have put up on a pedestal use
>> only pseudonyms. Cat was a prominent past presence in alt.magick,
> I disagree. I posted here regularly a few years ago, but i was by no
> means prominent, if for no other reason than that my personal
> magical practices did not accord with majority interests in this
> newsgroup.
>> whose remarks could easily be selected by anyone doing a little
>> cursory work to discover examples of folks who have been at
>> various times offended by some comment of mine.
> Is that what you think, Tom — that i have been "offended" by your
> "comments"? If so, please allow me to correct your false impression.
> In truth, i think your only connection to magic is as an
> attention-hungry skeptic using techniques well-known to any carny
> cold-reader mentalist to tediously (perhaps even obsessively) troll
> this newsgroup with the intention of impeding and disrupting
> conversations on the topic of record by accusing those with an
> interest in the subject of being "frauds."
> I remember well the years, long past, when your former credentials
> in the magical community caused some here to respond to your
> name-calling, mentalist tricks, and skeptical diversions with
> attention and thoughtful respect; but now, having driven out almost
> anyone of any talent, skill, or heart (look for them in moderated
> Yahoo groups where you are not permitted to post), you are reduced
> to playing mental tiddlywinks with anonymous passersby, a troll
> defending a bridge almost no one even uses anymore.
> It really is time for you to shut up and go away.
> Cordially,
> cat yronwode
> The Sacred Landscape —— http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html
lol. I bet you are glad you went down that path Tom lad.
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